I loved the movie Interstellar. I thought the movie was well thought out and the filmography was spectacular to watch. I was completely engulfed in the movie from the start and I was thrown out the end of the movie thinking how small we are in such a vast universe. One conversation just floored me when I saw this movie…it made me think about Love from a new point of view for the first time. In this scene, the conversation is between Cooper and Dr. Brand on the Endurance space craft as they are deciding which move to make next. What Dr Brand says is what was so eye opening to me. Dr. Brand is in love with a college that is on a potential planet for them to visit to see if it will sustain life. Cooper is letting all those involved in the decision to know that Dr. Brand may be driven by love, instead of science alone, for the college on one of the potential planets. The conversation goes like this…
Cooper: She’s in love with Wolf Edmunds.
Romilly: Is that true?
Brand: Yes. And that makes me want to follow my heart. But maybe we’ve spent too long trying to figure all this out with theory.
Cooper: You’re a scientist, Brand.
Brand: So listen to me, when I say that love isn’t something we invented, it’s observable, powerful. It has to mean something.
Cooper: Love has meaning, yes, social utility, social bonding, child rearing…
Brand: We love people who have died, where’s the social utility in that?
Brand: But maybe it means something more, something we can’t yet understand. Maybe it’s some evidence, some artifact of a higher dimension that we can’t consciously perceive. I’m drawn across the universe to someone I haven’t seen in a decade. Who, I know, is probably dead. Love is the one thing we’re capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space. Maybe we should trust that, even if we can’t understand it yet.
This quick conversation has hit the nail on the head when it comes to why we, as humans, even see, or desire, the stories of Jesus to be true. Even though it is hard to understand…we want the stories to be true because we truly desire for something out there, greater than ourselves, to know we exist…to know we have feelings….to know that we matter and have value…..we want to know that we can be saved. We want to know where we came from and we want to be loved. I have faith there is something out there….and it is has to be Love…and it transcends all space and time, yet we can perceive it and experience it. In addition, and more importantly, Love transcends Law….the very Law we use to condemn others to the judgement of God. Did Jesus show this Love in his life? Is Love a powerful force….the most powerful force in the universe? Is God that eternally powerful force that transcends space, time, Law, and everything else that could possibly be knowable? Let’s explore this a little more…
I like this quote by Frank Schaeffer:
“before matter was energy; the best name for that is love; in human form, looks like Jesus”
This statement makes me think that it is safe to say that God has always existed because Love has always existed? We now have seen this Love and experienced it perfectly through the person of Jesus. 1 John alludes to this saying,
…let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
Our hearts desire is to know that God has an eye on us and his hand is stretched out to comfort us in our worst of times….we want to be loved. Why? Because Love can be felt…Love can be seen…Love can be “perceived” as a knowable force that can right the biggest wrongs and heal the worst wounds we can imagine. Love is the only thing that can transcend time and space and reach the lowest of the low. It is right to say that God Is Love and it is God who does these amazing things in our lives…..as Love shown through the person of Jesus. Simply put, Jesus is the first manifested expression of the perfect Love of God…who is Love. The Love of Jesus has transcended all time to penetrate our hearts and minds to contemplate how we should live as the human race even to this day.
However, all religion does one thing consistently….they all have a Law they believe keeps them right with God, even Christianity. Just ask any Evangelical, “Can a gay person be taken if the Rapture comes?” and you will get all kinds of Law interpretations that christians will try and adhere to. I think this way of thinking falls short of who God is. If God is like Jesus and Jesus did not try to make anything of himself, but was self-emptying…then God is showing that there is something that far surpasses Law. Only one thing can and it is Love. Law was created, yet Love has always been. Before there was anything…there was Love. God Is Love.
Paul makes a good case in Romans and Galatians that the Law could only create more sin or had a limited use. Paul also says that, with that same Law we judge others with, it will then be used against us as well if that is how we choose to treat others. Yet it is Love that has been shown to be greater than the Law….it is the one non-created thing in the entire universe that can cause a person to move past the Law and live in Christ…in freedom…to Life. Is this not the entire point behind Jesus saying “Forgive them Father, they do not know what they are doing”? In-spite of the fact that all humanity participates in violence that they see as justified by their view of God demonstrated by the actions of the crucifixion of Christ, it is God, through the Son Jesus, that says I have moved past the Law and exist as Love and reconcile all creation to himself….forgiveness.
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us,we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
It is Jesus who has shown what really saves us….through his faith in his Father, who is Love, it is Love that saves us. It is Love that has acted towards us first, through Jesus, so that we could perceive it and then possibly love another. It is faith in Jesus, that saves us, by seeing that Jesus is showing the exact representation of the self-emptying God as an all-reconciling force called Love….and this Love has broken through space and time to show that Law falls short, nor was ever intended to bring reconciliation with God. Yet, the perfect manifestation of God has shown that understanding his Love and imitating his Love, through reconciliation with God and our neighbors, will save all who believe in the faith of Jesus, which was demonstrated by his life, death, and resurrection.
So why do I like Interstellar so much? Because it explores the idea that Love is a powerful force that is real yet we cannot completely comprehend it entirely. That Love is something that is completely intertwined with space and time, yet somehow came before them and transcends them. We need to see that we may not understand everything there is to know about Love. Could it stop the war hungry of the earth? Could it heal the sick and starving in the world? Could it create equality among the elite and the poor? Could it destroy the most divisive thing on earth, religion? As truth becomes more and more subjective, Love is the only possibility that the human race may have….and Love was perfectly displayed in the person of Jesus, showing us the nonviolent, self-emptying, self-humbling divine nature of God, who is Love.